lol - unless all of a sudden there was pvp on dantooine, but you found out about it while you were on tat, and it takes you 20+ minutes to get there

Instant Travel or 10 minutes wait is a big difference imo and BrokenSoldier points out one of the most frusterating situations you could have waiting for that damn shuttle to arrive. Those 10 minutes never went by fast enough for me BUT when hanging out with friends we alway's had fun while waiting! I would prefer that above instant travel mainly because of the social aspect in brings with while waiting together with other people. Because it was one of the way's/times players made many new friends.

If you don't feel like waiting for the shuttle, you could alway's go to the Starship Termina - Launch in to space - Hyperdrive to whatever planet you want to go to - fly to the spacestation and land. But this would be as or even more time consuming than waiting for the shuttles if we made the wait time arround 5-6 min.

Also Starports should have a slightly longer wait time than shuttleports imo.

I like the option of instant travel if you own a ship. I've been playing SWG NGE the past few days, and I may only own a Tie Fighter. but I like being able to go from place to place.

i agree with you all... its confusing i know. but there are things i liked about instant travel with your own ship sometimes, and also flying to places manually.. i also liked the community aspect of waitng at the ports too. but there is a way to solve this. keep the wait times for the ports and let instant travel be available for when you use your own ships..

Since JTL will have to be recoded to be able to play on our server it wont be out before the game is ready anyway so, none of us will have ships right away. well all be using the starports and shuttles just like the old days. so i say keep the wait time for that. once we do have ships i think we should be able to insta-travel with them if we chose, and fly manually to places if we chose. that way no one will have to deal with being shot down in PVP simply because theyre in a faction ship, unless they CHOSE to fly their own ship and take the risks of being seen and shot at. that way we keep the element of choice in that aspect of the game.

we dont want to force people to do one thing or the other. thats why i think insta-travel in players starships should be left in as an option if they chose it. that way any player that would rather go into space and fly their own ship using the hyperdrive can do that if they want to.. (which is usually what i did) besides after everyone has their own ship waiting at the starports will be old-hat. just like it was when JTL came along in the live game.

nothing saying we cant always make certain planets accessable only through the space stations so you HAVE to fly there like Kashyyyk. even though i thought it was stupid that you had to fly to Kash on your own, since i didnt like Kash anyway,

but i do think it makes more sense that Dathomir or Endor wouldnt have regular flights from starports to them. you should have to fly to them yourself since they are supposed to be dangerous and uncolonized worlds.. but if we did that before JTL is on the server that means no one will be able to get to them untill they have a ship. so that wont work =(

Yea that would be cool indeed (Would maybe add Yavin 4 to the list) but like you say, with no JTL at start it definitely won't be possible then:( But we can maybe change that after JTL is implemented...



You are anyway not attackable by opposing faction ships unless you choose to go overt in space. Don't wana get shot down? Don't go overt...



This is true, but once JTL is playable EVERYONE will have ships and most likely the use Starport Shuttles will drop to almost 0 due to the Instant Travel option. This is what I wish to prevent.

that thing i said about the getting shot down because you are in a faction ship only applies to Andys idea earlier that all faction ships should be attackable at all times. i know how pvp was before in JTL and i would like it to stay that way.

the thing about everyone using their own ships to instant travel when they have ships instead of using the starports could be resolved by maybe adding a waiting time to travel instantly with your ship from the starship terminals. itll be less time to wait than from the shuttles though but still a few minutes (kind of like waiting on the runway before you are cleared for takeoff)

this way instant travel would still send you were you want to go directly, but youll have to wait some time for it like the sparport shuttle.. adding to the community aspect of waiting around. also itll encourage people to actually fly their ships because launching manually should still be instant from the starship terms. then they can hyperspace manually to their destination.

i think that covers everything.

Ah ok , didn't read the "off-topic" discussion...

An other possibility for the instant travel issue could be that only characters that have reached "Master Pilot" have that option. I saw someone suggest that, but hadn't given it much thought yet. What do you think about it?

i dont know. its a good idea but master pilot takes a long time to get and i think insta-travel is still good when its needed and still should be in the game. like in the case Broken brought up.

maybe we can include it in a lower teir of pilot, i dont know them off-hand, but how about something like, for example, basic pilot skills three allows you to circumvent the time you have to wait for your ship to be "ready to launch" and theyll be able to insta-travel from the terminals from then on... thats more simple, but i really dont like that idea.

but i still think that insta-travel should have a waiting period on it at the terminals, like i said, to engourage people to actually fly their ships in space and use the hyperdrive rather than insta-travelling all the time. maybe the waiting time to travel in your ship should depend on pilot skill, the higher your pilot skills the faster you will be able to travel.

i also still say that waiting on the ship terminals (even at the lowest skill level) should be a shorter wait than the starport shuttle which was 10 minutes pre-cu.. piloting skill rankings as follows.

teir one = 5 min, (only if your ship has a hyperdrive)
teir two = 4 min,
teir three = 3 min,
teir four = 2 min,
Master = instant

that way, the lower skill you are, its actually faster to jump into orbit and manually set your hyperdrive and fly to a planet.

hows that?

maybe let smuggler have an half time wait? (for their "social" skills )

btw master pilot is quite easy, expecially the first and third tiers, done with quests only

it took me about 2 days to master it (and about two hours per day, but i'm a veteran from all the tie fighter series )

its took me a good clip to master pilot, but i was doing other things in the game too. but it still took a good while. and the last part to master where i had to help destroy a star destroyer i had to wait for a suitable group in which to do that. it was fun as hell to see so many different kind of ships together in the same group people i didnt know like mercenaries. it was great. but it wasnt an easy thing to do. and that was just getting the group together.

i thought about giving smugglers a lesser time limit for insta-travelling. but i didnt think it really mattered that much. i dont think it would help them as smugglers to give them less time to travel than everyone else. and it just complicates things alot more than they have to be.

besides any smuggler missions in space (that i can imagine) would require that you fly yourself, so instant travel or time constraints wouldnt really be used anyway. since if you launch your ship into orbit with this plan you dont have to wait anyways.

So you are saying you made master Pilot from Novice in 4 hours? I'm sorry but thats not possible...

maybe he meant weeks

well, 2 hours of powerplay, something like continuous missions and so on without stopping a second
maybe 3-4 hours per day, but totally no more than 10 hours

yea, isd are so nice... but i've soloed at least 5-6 times... is for this that i would increase space difficulty, but if you say that it wasn't so easy...

Well gues it all depends on what squadron you join.

what if u just have instant travel able to be used only when u are a certain distance out of a city or a town, so you wouldnt have to drive 6000m to get to a shuttle port or have to die to get warped back to your starship is located at. I always hated having to drive long distances in this game it was such a waste, and so was waiting around for a shuttle.