Alright thanks anyway, but I did find that Obsidian was taking ideas for KotOR III and LucasArts was going to help (possibly)

Saw more footage, actual gameplay this time. I'm just going to say how stupid this game is and it's Star Wars WoW, as in everything looks like WoW, from graphics to gameplay. One of the scenes was a sith ship firing upon a republic ship and the republic ship looks like it was drawn onto the view screen. Copies a lot of the movies heavily, The sith consider themselves the Empire (not like that's a big deal) but it gets better, they use the Imperial Insignia, most ships look similar to the movies, the sith uniforms, Imperial Officer Uniforms, even the rankings. The developers are saying it'll be the most in depth rpg ever made... yeah okay crazy people. I don't want to sound mean, but there is no other way to put, I hope BioWare dies, goes under because of this game. I usually don't wish that upon companies, but they suck.


On a side note, Obsidian was working on KotOR III for while and LucasArts said they had a rough patch, so they had to cancel KotOR III (I would like to see KotOR III finished and questions that happened answered). If they were going through a rough patch they should of canceled that stupid MMO. I'm a huge Old Republic Era fan if you didn't know and I probably know just about everything from that era. There are even things I can argue about: Ex. Revan was canonized as Light side in the end, I say he should of been dark side, makes more sense.

Im a bit confused about your post here.

Wheres this footage your talking about. Is it any of the vids that have been already posted on the TOR main site for some time now? Please link it if theres another i havent seen.

So far all the footages ive seen have been really impressive. I dont think it looks like wow at all and as far as gameplay being like wow....nobody knows anything about that, the game is still in development. Its a bit early to already calling a game bad when nobody has played it yet.

Ive pretty much given up on the swg emu. Im waiting on bigger and better things to come. One of them will be TOR. I certainly hope that you at least give it a try before cutting its throat already.

Having watched a few gameplay trailers, I would say there are elements that are distinctly WoW-ish.

As far as looks go, the unrealisticness of the avatars

As far as gameplay goes, the rechargable special move icons. It seems that it will be like most MMOs in this respect - the player will have 2 or 3 moves that they use one after the other.

I'm not saying it's a WoW-clone, just that it hasn't broken from the mold of MMOs that WoW started.

WoW didn't start it, Everquest did. Up until WoW pretty much every MMO out there was trying to "fix" the problems with older MMOs like Everquest, including the restrictiveness of character classes, boredom of level grinding, etc. WoW just came along and blatantly made all of the same errors that previous MMOs had been trying to recover from, but it did it with a very low learning curve aimed at the lowest common denominator and lots of marketing. Let me repeat that: People love WoW because it's easy to play and doesn't challenge them. It has nothing to do with being a "good" game.

Its popularity is the bane of the MMO and the reason so few good MMOs have been made since, and none survive for more than a year or so. Whereas until WoW a reasonably well made MMO could expect to survive for about five years, they've dominated such a large percentage of the market there just aren't enough players left over to go around, so the WoW clones die because WoW already has the player base, and good ones that actually try to do something different die because they aren't enough like WoW.

Now, everybody who wants a piece of the WoW pie tries to remake WoW, but with new graphics, etc., so the market is flooded with them. And since WoW is so immensely successful, fewer and fewer MMOs with unique, original design even get green-lighted because they're viewed as too risky in a market with a proven successful template like WoW. Those that do are often forced to become a little more WoW-like because it's believed that's what works.

Now that I'm looking at some of the trailers for SWTOR, I don't agree that it looks like WoW at all. It looks more like what would happen if WoW and NGE were brother and sister, then had sex and popped out an ugly, mutant baby.

Okay, maybe that's a little harsh. They pretty much hit their graphical nail on its head with what they call "stylized realism." It doesn't look remotely as goofy or cartoony as WoW, but it's definitely not photorealism. It's all very stylized without being blatantly phony, not quite as ugly as the art for 3rd edition D&D and on, but nearly so. I still don't like it a great deal.

As far as gameplay is concerned, I like the implementation of cover mechanics. I like the fully fleshed-out epic quests and the fully implemented voice-overs. I'm a little wary, though, that too heavy a reliance on these storylines will endanger the game's longevity. MMOs that are only about questing and leveling get old very fast. Starwars did it well and EVE does it best in giving players a set of mechanics and a game world and basically just setting them loose to create their own adventures.

Still, I hope the game is really popular and gives WoW a run for its money. There are a few features that look really innovative, like the cover mechanics and the fully implemented voice acting, and I think that, despite my diatribe above, it could provide a much needed reinvigoration for the genre and maybe lead to some really good games in future.

I didn't mean that WoW made the first game in that design. I meant that WoW was so insidiously popular and profitable that all companies who plan to create a MMO these days make it work more or less to the WOW formula.

MMO's used to be quite diverse, but these days there are certain elements that are always there, as if developers are too scared to try changing the formula.

It used to be that MMOs used to actually attempt to make use of the possibilities of the genre, tried to find ways to encourage player interaction and communities forming, really give you a sense of participating in a HUGE and PERSISTENT game world, like it actually mattered if you saved the princess and she wouldn't just wind up in that same dungeon captured by that same boss that you killed but is somehow also alive again.

These days, however, they all mostly just try to be normal RPGs but with less interesting stories that you just happen to play online and there just happen to be other people playing the game along side you. Story content isn't bad, but it dooms an RPG. No matter how well made it is, not matter how many different storylines you include, eventually, players will play through them and you just can't add new story content as quickly as players can go through it.

Saw what they provided at E3.

Good:
-Voice Acting, great idea, just done wrong.
-Cinematics, looked really freaking EPIC!!!
-would have been better as a singleplayer game, still wouldn't have played it but, better.

Bad:
-Voice acting, someone else stated this in a another TOR post i think, it's all masculine, as in big tough guy voice, unrealistic, and I agree.
-Graphics, not the worst, but still way to cartoony, little more realistic than WoW or any other mmo of that matter.
-Story, really, they said it was a new original story, to me it looked pathetic and unoriginal, a mash up between the movies and the Darth Bane books, how 'original'.
-Content, set 400 years after the KotOR games and the technology looks like they ripped most of it from the movies which this would take place 3,600 years aprox. before the movies.
-Depth, didn't see any. They say the choices affect the entire game, I call b.s.
-Characters, boring, wasn't interested in any of them. Sith Emperor, guess what you're a mix-n-match with Darth Vader and Darth Malak, once again unoriginal. The republic soldiers look pretty much like clone troopers, ships and vehicles look like movie vehicles. Once again from what someone else said, the women are busty, this is Star Wars, not playboy or tomb raider, try to keep it realistic, perverts.
-NO ACTUAL FLYING SHIPS AROUND
-Completely focuses on the Jedi and Sith, just what we need, and completely combat driven, they didn't pay much attention to the other classes, and the Jedi and Sith are completely overpowered.
-No economy
-They said the lightsaber combat was the best, from what i saw, the lightsabers didn't even look good, and no the lightsaber combat looked terrible. So far the game that has the best lightsaber combat even today is Jedi Knight.
-Gameplay, It's WoW with lightsabers.
-Canon, no, it looks like it contradicts the movies and other areas of the expanded universe too much. So don't try and make it canon.
-They want to say it's the third game to KotOR, which I think not. It does not have the III on it, plus has a different variation of the name "The Old Republic" compared to "Knights of the Old Republic".

Overall
It does not look like it's worth playing whatsoever. I hate most mmos, do to the fact that they are all WoW clones, and i don't even like WoW, usually suck in general, but this game makes me want to quit trying mmos entirely, plus this bonus suckage, Clone Wars Adventures no better. Has Star Wars become a joke? What's happened to all the good Star Wars games. Where's Battlefront III, Knights of the Old Republic III (LucasArts said it was cancelled b/c of a rough patch with money, after Obsidian releases New Vegas, I think they should start working on KotOR III, I haven't given up on it yet), Jedi Knight III (hopefully), and Imperial Commando (hopefully)?

Grade: .01 out of 15 "Epic Fail" Worst MMO I have ever seen, it's on the same level of Clone Wars Adventures.

I love the Darth Bane books and wouldn't criticize them in any way, haven't got to read the third book, don't tell me about it, unless it has some references to the Old Republic.

Whoever said the things I stated in the other TOR post, please excuse me for not remembering your username, I read it the other day and I'm having a brain fart.

Personally, I will try it and make my judgement by playing it. There isn't many mmo (excluding all those korean ones) I haven't played and I judge case by case. I see TOR as a KOTOR with a multiplayer dimension, I loved the 2 KOTORs so I'm interested as to how it will turn out. I put no hopes nor judgement on this. Sure, comparing the to Galaxies pre-cu, will probably make it look pale in content. But as far as I'm concerned, when I will play it, without comparing it to the other MMOs out there, if I enjoy playing it then their mission is accomplished... no matter how bad and far from galaxies people says it is.

As much as I'd hate to admit it, I will have to try and see it myself, but I'm going to stick pretty closely with what I've said, b/c it's true. I loved the 2 KotOR games myself, I mean just look at my username. the KotOR games are probably some of my favorite games, but to me this is not what I was hoping for when they said KotOR MMO, it was a disappointment, a big one at that, and this to me is not KotOR at all. It's fine that you play all sorts of MMOs, I don't like mmos in general, i hate those players that are like "Ive got 2 mil, any nub wanting it, fight me. The reason I fell in love with galaxies was how people truly did interact with each other and helped each, the economy is amazing, such a unique system that i love, wasn't combat based (i love combat but, that's what most mmos are today), galaxies is just full of life, and for the fact that it was Star Wars. Oh and the jedi weren't as many, i like the jedi and sith, but that seems to be what every star wars game is based on. I want a game based on the Mandalorians or even just Boba Fett.

revin they made a star wars bountyhunt game bassed off jango fett. i wont tell u that much about it cus it gives away the ending but you are able to identify bounties through your helm, a main hunt and a bunch of enemies who have a bounty on them, you can lasso them up or shoot them with your pistol,carbine,poison darts,rocketlauncher,flamethrower. its a fun game if u didnt play it yet

im sorry but star wars galaxies is probbally going to be the best star wars mmo game i guess people just dont understand the concept of a uniqe game when they see one now im going to be completly honest i love runescape just for its leveling system and pvp hen they destroyed the game by taking out the pvp and then SWG was amazing intill they took away the leveling tree. I HATE LEVEL BASED GAMES. i like lvling individual skills and taking diffrent skill paths with the same charecter.

Please excuse my spelling.

I know, I own it, I'm just saying I want a more up to date game.

I just had a thought regarding your mention of the voice acting being too "masculine", and perhaps not fitting with your own image of the character you've created. A simple solution to this would be to have a setting to disable your own character's voice, so the cut scenes would not show your character talking, just like they do in Kotor and Dragon Age.

That way, they can have a "fully voiced mmo" while also providing respite to those who don't want someone else's voice coming from their RP characters.